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Smith_777
Apr 9, 2013 at 3:34 pm
To the person who wrote this short, crap wannabe article – please tell me you’re not getting paid to write your crap for this site. The money could be used for something better – like funding drug lords. Oh yes, drug lords deserve better than you, nerdy blogger.
Crying little boys like you give the internet a bad name. The fact that you take childish shots at an accomplished and hugely successful director like Bay goes to show that you have ZERO objectivity and credibility in your body. Bay changed the entire action genre forever and pretty much every action direcor is trying to copy his style these days. Not to mention his huge success among the general audience. But I guess FACTS don’t have much weight in your life, huh Johnny-boy? Stick to Burt Wonderstone and the geeky Star Trek flicks and don’t write about filmmakers you don’t care about and in this case a filmmaker (Bay) you clearly don’t know, in terms of his influence, style, success and fan base.
Now go back to Rotten Tomatoes and start crying with the other insignificant bloggers and film nerds. And let me remind you the great saying: “Those who can’t, criticize.”
Think about that, Johnny-boy. Oh and yes, in case you haven’t noticed I am a huge Bay fan. Been a fan for more than 10 years. And no, I’m not some easily impressed teen. Unlike you, I actually see things objectively and I’m not desperate to have my opinion heard. You’re clearly desperate. You already wrote a few artcles about Bay’s Pain and Gain. Not a normal behavior for a Bay hater like you. Or maybe you’re not really a hater after all.
You tell me, pal.
John Sharp
Apr 9, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Well hello Smith 777.
Thanks for coming to our site, we appreciate the readership.
Well now, that escalated quickly. You’re clearly a very angry young man, possibly a boy (or girl, gender is neutral), with some rage issues. I’ve never known anyone to get so riled up so quickly over so little. But lets go through your diatribe, point by point, shall we?
I shan’t tell you whether or not I get paid to do this, because I fear that would ruin the mystique. But it’s a nice thought, eh? Me getting money to have my opinion heard. Does that anger you, Smithy? Can I call you Smithy? Maybe one day you’ll do the same, and I’ll see you at the London Film Festival, where I got to see some great films and review them. Which is fun, I enjoy it. Do you enjoy what you do? Ol’ Smithy, ol’ pal? We are pals, right? Using your delightful wordage.
Facts. Yes, Michael Bay is tremendously successful, but Smithy, let us not confuse that with being good. Because he’s not now, is he? Dear Smithy. Dear, sweet, naive, Smithington (can I call you Smithington?) Justin Bieber has sold countless albums and is incredibly successful. That doesn’t make him good now, does it. The answer is no. Bay is a HUGE success, but he’s not good. That, dear boy, is a fact. Nolan; good. Whedon; good. Bay; bad. Why? Neither Nolan or Whedon would ever think of copying Bay. They aren’t sexist, don’t rely on lots of things going bang and they focus more on story and character than Bay ever has or will.
I actually liked Bay’s work which, incidentally, I saw way over ten years ago. Bad Boys and The Rock are terrific films, well paced action romps with decent actors chewing the scenery and they’re all very enjoyable. Lets look at his recent body of work.
Pearl Harbour, Armageddon and Transformers 1, 2 and 3. All of those films were laughed out of the building. They get sequels because teenage boys pay to see them because children like pretty ladies in very little, cars, robots, bangs and Shia Le Beouff. They aren’t good, kid. Can I call you kid? They aren’t. They are bad films. That IS objective. Ask anyone. They aren’t good.
As for your personal attacks on my writing. People like it, otherwise they wouldn’t come back for more. If you don’t dig my stylings, I can dig that. Led Zepplin never wrote songs that everybody liked, they left that to The Bee Gees (I’ll give you a shiny penny if you can tell me what film that’s from, Oh Movie Oracle).
Well, Smithery Smithington 777, I feel we’ve come to the end. I would love to hear your response. I imagine flecks of saliva are spraying your monitor as you read, unable to control your rage issues, like a very dull Hulk. Or maybe you’ve come to your senses, now you’ve been riddled with truth bullets.
You tell me, pal.
Because I just told you.
*drops mic*
Smith_777
Apr 10, 2013 at 8:23 am
“Drops mic”? Are you 10, Johnny-boy? You can’t more than 15. If you are older then your mom should sue you for making her family look like idiots.
And nooo, your writing is not working. Trying to be cool is not in your nature, blogger-boy. It’s actually painful to read your desperate reply. Try harder next time. Or learn from the other web trolls. You are an obvious troll, after all.
And thank you, THANK YOU, for proving that you are nothing more than a pretentious film geek who uses the usual and tired as hell “I like directors who focus on story and character”. Let me ask you something smartass: do you actually believe that regular people – ya know, the people movies are made for – go to the Whedon, Bay and Nolan films because of…….the story? Please say Yes and prove again how much of a an idiot you really are. The answer is NO, they don’t watch them because of the story. The want spectacle and that’s what they get. Don’t believe me? Go in any theather and start taking polls. Then watch what happens.
And FYI, Whedon himself said a few years back that he’s a fan of Bay. Yes, a fan. And Bay’s influence is clearly visible in the Avengers. If you don’t see it, then you really have no right calling yourself a fan of movies. Nolan is also a fan of Bay. Google it all if you don’t believe me and next time try to think before posting replies.
It sucks when you lose, huh blogger-boy? It sucks when ALL facts are against you and you’re desperate to find something to prove your moronic point, huh?
And whether someone is GOOD or BAD is not factual, my man. It’s subjective. So you telling me that Bay is “not good” is not a fact, so don’t act like it is. It’s your own completely subjective opinion. But you’re clearly not smart enough to know the difference. Kevin Smith was right when he talked about nerds like you that actually believe that their opinions are facts. Seriously, how ignorant are you?
And Bay’s sucess is not an accident, bloggy-boy. The fact that you use Bieber as some sort of example is idiotic and I’ll tell you why.
Bay is in the business for 20 years and his movies are all HUGELY successful not only in the theaters but on DVD and Blu-ray as well. Which means that A LOT of people like his movies and have them in their home collection. Now that’s a FACT, not an opinion.
You’re still with me? Ok.
You said that making money doesn’t mean you’re good, right? That might be true, but to dismiss Bay’s enormous sucess through the years and his popularity among the general public (not critics or bloggers) is to say the least moronic. If he was a bad as you say he would’ve been out of Hollywood years and years ago. Instead he’s making even more movies and he is even more successful and powerful these days. Hell, according to Forbes he’s THE most powerful filmmaker in Hollywood right now.
You don’t get to that position if you don’t know what you’re doing, pal. Remember that.
I’ll leave it to that. I can talk about that whole day and I can have fun with you sad ‘arguments” 24/7. Truth is, you’re just way too easy, boring and predictable. A typical ignorant film snob.
Now go to Bay’s fansite MICHAELBAY.COM and see for yourself quotes from people in the industry about him and how influential he really is. I can post them all here and kick your snobish ass even more, but I think you’re at least smart enough to use Google by yourself.
Bye-bye, Burt Wonderstone. Looking forward to your next craptastic article that will prove yet again how much of a vegetable you really are. Keep ’em coming! You’re entertaining as hell.
John Sharp
Apr 10, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Smithery! Welcome back. Your dedication to our site is very much appreciated. We at THN are always keen to chat with our fans. I trust you’re following us on Twitter? @thncom and don’t forget to like us on Facebook for all your THN needs.
Now then.
If you’re going to accuse me of being childish, it’s best not to follow up with a ‘your mom’ comment. Seems to undermine your point. Having said that, I’m sure your mother is very proud of you and the way you’re spending your time. I think, though, you’re mistaken. You consider me a troll only because our opinions differ. You’re quite naïve, aren’t you Smithums. I’m not the one insulting the family of a total stranger and saying that ‘drug lords deserve better than you, nerdy blogger.’ I’ve not insulted you personally, like trolls do. That would be you. That would be you trolling. You troll.
The ‘drops mic’ remark was to create a nice visual image for the send off. A little artistic license, like your mate Michael. He uses artistic license when he sticks a camera up Megan Fox’s skirt, when he sticks a camera up Rosie Huntington Whitely’s skirt, when he gives robots racist voices, when he makes the sky constantly orange and when he throws a strop because Optimus Prime has no skirt for him to stick a camera up. The man is a true visionary.
I do agree however that ‘trying to be cool’ is not in my nature. If people think I’m cool, that’s nice. If they don’t, that’s also nice. I’m not trying to be anything other than informative and mildly amusing. If you don’t think I’m funny, that’s also nice.
And though it’s true that some people go and see films for spectacle, they also want story. Not everyone, but the smart ones. That is why The Avengers, Inception etc do so well commercially AND critically. Regular movie goers love them as do critics. Bay’s films are generally only favoured by teenage boys. Bay himself has said so. To say Whedon and Nolan have copied Bay is subjective in the extreme. What could you possibly be basing this on?
If you go and see films ONLY for spectacle, that’s your money. I think you need to broaden your horizons, though. Films with action AND great dialogue and decent characters are far more rewarding. That’s not being snobbish, by the way. I LOVE action cinema. My fave film growing up was Die Hard. Why? Great spectacle, great dialogue, great characters. A combination Bay hasn’t provided for many, many years.
What you call ‘film snob,’ I call ‘educated.’ I know and am eternally curious about a vast array of cinema, and I suggest you try to do the same if you want to enrich your movie going experience. You have proven that your ignorance matches your rage. Calling me names doesn’t help your case either.
Incidentally…
“I’ll leave it to that. I can talk about that whole day and I can have fun with you sad ‘arguments” 24/7. Truth is, you’re just way too easy, boring and predictable. A typical ignorant film snob.”
Look at your appalling grammar. I assume you mean you can read my arguments all day, which is very sweet of you. But haven’t you got anything better to do with your time? Go outside, see people, live a full and interesting life?
‘That’s what I’m going to do on a Friday night, attack my betters.’ You like Kevin Smith quotes, right?
Speaking of insults, you keep calling me Burt Wonderstone. Why? I’ve not seen it. I’ve written a couple of articles about it, but I don’t have any connection with it. My favourite films are Amelie, Die Hard and Blazing Saddles. If you’re going to refer to me by a film title, at least use those. Shall I start calling you The Island? I can if you’d like. I’m a nice guy. With very few anger issues.
Right then, that ended up for longer than I was expecting. Never the less, I hope it was of use to you. I’m honoured that you would keep coming back and I’m thrilled you enjoy my writing. I look forward to your next venomous reply as I’m sure you’ll look forward to my rebuttal. I shall indeed ‘keep’em coming.’ Because you love it.
Craig Hunter
Apr 10, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Now now boys, play nice
John Sharp
Apr 10, 2013 at 3:36 pm
He started it! He ran at me with poo on a stick!
poorsnob
Mar 12, 2015 at 5:12 pm
And then Pain & Gain was great. This snob who wrote this article pretty sucks.